Kirsten Fasey is a doctorate candidate at Nottingham Trent University, UK. Kirsten joins the show to talk about her latest publication, defining and characterizing organizational resilience in elite sport. We talk a lot about organizational resilience, specifically, where it comes from, why it is important, and how it is different than transformational leadership or culture. Kirsten and Sunny share thoughts on why research is so hard, and how we as humans have the want to make everything simple.