In this episode we talk enlightenment, having a code and Michael Jackson. Other stuff: being chill around celebrities, Zach Braff, kittens, what we wanna be like at 30, Cole Sprouse, that people can't write musicians, remarkable ladies, comfortable pants, dancing like no one is listening, being like christ, coffee order mistakes, simple syrup, being 'the weird one', systemic yeast infections, controlling your emotions, water colour painting, posture, the problem with instagram, and all inclusive resorts