We fawn over the new kittens, and kitten nuts, then discuss the launching of the Substack experiment, and our usual wander through the frustration and mystery of publishing, including genre, and the things. 

You can read more from Jenn Zuko at https://jennzuko.wordpress.com and on her Substack

You can follow Jason Quinn Malott at https://www.jquinnmalott.com and read my Substack, too.