Special Guest: Jeremiah Grossman, Founder of WhiteHat Security and current Founder and CEO at Bit Discovery

Links for further reading & listening:

• https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rumsfelds-wisdom/
• https://uxdesign.cc/the-knowns-and-unknowns-framework-for-design-thinking-6537787de2c5
• https://www.nasa.gov/centers/ivv/ppt/172585main_SoftwareAssuranceSymposium_OConnor.ppt

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