Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 238.

At Libertopia Oct. 12, 2012, I participated in an hour-long IP panel with Charles Johnson, moderated by Butler Shaffer.

Transcript below.

For my other presentation, and for more details, see KOL236 | Intellectual Nonsense: Fallacious Arguments for IP (Libertopia 2012).

Youtube:

https://youtu.be/lTWjqn16fGk

Libertopia 2012 IP Panel

Stephan Kinsella, Charles Johnson, and Butler Shaffer

Oct. 12, 2012

Transcript

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M: Butler, Shaffer with his Gandalf stick [indiscernible_00:00:03], the great Stephan Kinsella [indiscernible_00:00:10] is he up?  Jeffy Jeff, Jeffy B.

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STEPHAN KINSELLA: No.  Charles Johnson.

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M: Charles?  Check.

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M: Charles.

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M: Charles Johnson [indiscernible_00:00:24] so if you guys want to have a seat.  Our general format is, as you imagine, rules free.  So it just – I’ll make statements and take your turns as you see fit.

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STEPHAN KINSELLA: I think we need a third chair.

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M: Did you want to – are we just going to use the podium?

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M: Oh, I see.

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M: We can bring out three chairs if you’d like.

00:00:43

M: I think three chairs is – that’s what we did yesterday.  I think everyone sat down, and remember the first three rows must heckle.  That is the rule.  You must heckle and, in fact, under your seat a bucket of fruit, fairly old, and [indiscernible_00:00:59].  You can skip them.

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STEPHAN KINSELLA: Sorry.

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M: No problem.  It just comes with the territory.

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M: All right, Mr. Butler, if you’d like to take it away I will have a seat [indiscernible_00:01:32]

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BUTLER SHAFFER: Are we all set?

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STEPHAN KINSELLA: We’re set.

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BUTLER SHAFFER: Is this all turned on?  I assume.  All right.  Our panel has to do with the personal significance of intellectual property [indiscernible_00:01:53] faces out there [indiscernible_00:01:57].  I’m doing the moderating I guess, and leave it up to these two fine people to do all the substantive stuff.  I would like to at least start this off with one question in which maybe we can get some responses to get this one thing started [indiscernible_00:02:29].  And that has to do with whether or not, in a state-less society, would we have patents or copyrights.  And be careful how you answer that question.  I don’t know if it’s either a yes-or-no answer [indiscernible_00:02:47].  What do you think?

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STEPHAN KINSELLA: Charles, do you want to start since I had a shot at this yesterday?

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CHARLES JOHNSON: Sure.  So my position is no, there’s not going to be copyright or patent protections that look anything like the bundle of legal protections that go along with those today.

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STEPHAN KINSELLA: Of course I agree.  I actually think there wouldn’t be trademark, trade secret, or any other type of IP as well.

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BUTLER SHAFFER: We’re set.  Why don’t we go home?

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[laughter]

00:03:23

BUTLER SHAFFER: The reason I ask that and the reason I ask it in the form of a question for which yes or no might not be a complete answer is here we see a problem with copyright or patent arising out of contract between tw...