the SWGL crew put their new listening skills to use in Sacramento where they meet with Konnor, a transgender man of color. Passionate and charming, Konnor challenges Graham's thinking on race and gender identity.

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special thanks to konnor and his wife brooke for their hospitality and honesty

to altimeter films and the ayzenberg group

to rob schulte and shauna mcgarry

all music composed by podington bear and provided by the free music archive

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