In this episode we talk about the roles and importance of an fiscal academician, and encouragement for fiscal students to be an academician themselves. Mas Berto first explained why he chose Fiscal as his bachelor's degree and Politics as his master's degree (3:10). Then he went into great details about his college journey that led him to wanting to be an academician (10:50). He specifically detailed how his internship experience change his perspective (21:15). Mas Berto then explained the challenges of an academician (28:30), his source of inspiration and how it feels to be surrounded by senior fiscal academician (34:45), and his view of Indonesia's biggest fiscal problem (39:10). The vast majority of fiscal students prefers to be a practitioner rather than an academician, is this a problem (43:40). Then we conclude with the Q&A session (49:40) and Mas Berto's message of motivation to fiscal student amidst the pandemic and message of encouragement to be a fiscal academician (56:35)