Rosie Hopley talks to Abi about lament and hope, as well as the importance of reconciliation in the church and how to avoid mono-cultural church. And about tiny baby elephants.

Rosie developed the Reconciled Church Course and also founded the charity Beloved and is also co founder of a social business enterprise LoveWellUK. Rosie also works for Jubilee, including on their new project Jubilee+ Voices.