Richard sits down with Trevor Hudson to discuss the importance of lament in our current crises and the role of leaders in creating spaces that allow us to grieve what we've lost.

Trevor is a pastor involved with the Methodist movement in Southern Africa for more than 35 years. Besides his local commitments, Trevor travels widely, preaching, teaching, and lecturing in the areas of spiritual formation, spiritual direction, and pastoral therapy. He lectures at Fuller Seminary, Pasadena, in their Doctor of Ministry (Spiritual Direction) program, and he also works closely with Upper Room Ministries, the Renovaré International Institute for Christian Spiritual Formation, the Dallas Willard Center for Christian Spiritual Formation, and the Jesuit Institute in South Africa. He is the author of 15 books including Discovering Your Spiritual Identity (IVP) and Beyond Loneliness (Upper Room).