It's just Evan and Alex this week, which means we got to delve into the NYC and USATF 5k results a little more deeply and also be kinda preachy about Jemima Sumgong and dopers in general. We also talked for a minute about NCAA XC (which is still above average on running podcasts) and Gwen Jorgensen leaving the triathlon dark side to become a fully-fledged runner.

As always, subscribe, rate, review and follow us on social at @1609pod everywhere!