Colleen deploys her first Laravel app and gushes about how Rails has nothing like it, while Joe tallies up $250/month in hosting bills across three platforms. They also brainstorm a joint B2C app experiment, wrestle with Google Ads conversion tracking, and Joe shares his Ruby Native beta strategy as five client projects kick off at once.

Chapters

• 00:00 Laravel Cloud?
• 21:46 Product Development Mindset and Consulting
• 33:32 Conference Talk Ideas and Strategy
• 42:38 OpenClaw Update and Browserless API