Trey talks with Larry Jacobs, founder and director of the Center for the Study of Politics and Governance (CSPG) and holder of the Walter F. and Joan Mondale Chair for Political Studies at the University of Minnesota's Humphrey School of Public Affairs on his latest book Democracy Under Fire: Donald Trump and the Breaking of American History.

Topics Trey & Larry discuss include:

– The history of primaries in the United States

– How political primaries harm democracies

– The need for political elites

– The problem with Trump and Bernie and primaries

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