Angel Deradoorian is a multi-instrumentalist, composer, member of Decisive Pink, and former member of Dirty Projectors, who explores the worlds of ambient, experimental, drone, and pop structures. We talk about non-attachment, traditional Armenian wind instruments, astrology, the gym above Stockhausen's studio, and genocides.

Intro + outro music by Nothing Human

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Benjamin Teitelbaum is an author and professor of musicology and international affairs at CU Boulder. His interests include music, the radical right and geopolitics, reactionary ideology and aesthetics, political theology, and Scandinavian folklore. He is author of War for Eternity: The Return of Traditionalism and the Rise of the Populist Right (Penguin, 2020) and Lions of the North: Sounds of the New Nordic Radical Nationalism (Oxford, 2017). His next book, "Limitless" is forthcoming from Verso. Benjamin and I talk White Nationalist reggae, Julia Kristeva, Swedish folk instruments, Steve Bannon's religiosity, the la-la-la-la-la of Death in June, and the inherent political leftism of language itself.

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Pablo Andoni Olabarría is a Spanish composer and conductor who runs @memieval.music, an Instagram page dedicated exclusively to memes about early music. We talk about Pablo's own drone-based music, the role of the conductor, notation, memory, music before and after the Western Canon, and Ren Faires.

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Brandon Lopez is an illustrious contrabassist whose music is known for its "bruising physicality", as well as its hyper-precise execution, exploring the harsh outer limits of his instrument's possibilities. We talk about Fred Moten, avant-garde strains in Latin percussion, the horror of virtuosity, and the evil vortex-apartment we shared a few years back.

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Calder Hannan is the person behind the YouTube channel Metal Music Theory and the band Florid Ekstasis, and also plays guitar in Aphelion Entity. Calder recently completed his PhD in Music Theory with his dissertation "Tactus Transformations in Metal." He currently teaches music at Columbia and Fordham in New York City. Our conversation touches on the STEM to metal pipeline, how rhythm is viewed in academia, parallax head banging, and hiding your music theory power level.

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Michael Olivo is an American cartoonist, designer, and host of the Blind Shovel podcast. He's been published by Cold Cube Press, Fantagraphics, and Never Press, to name a few. He's also a co-founder of Eternal Wealth, an art fabrication company centered around custom objects and furniture, and the Art Director of the Williams Center, a multi-venue art center located in Rutherford, NJ. We talk about Catholicism, fatherhood, black-and-white morality, respecting symbols, what it means to draw a line, and other beautifully unfashionable topics.

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Musician, fashion designer, and visual artist, PICTUREPLANE (aka Travis Egedy) has made a major name for himself over the past decade in the outer limits of global pop culture. His music engages industrial dance, gothic hip-hop, and emotive New Age, while his clothing line, Alien Body, serves up a stylized study of symbology, the occult, and societal decay. We talk about ontological anarchy, DIY spaces, 1990s optimism, Witch House, and Travis' friendship with Lil Peep.

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Conner Habib is a writer and the host of the podcast, Against Everyone with Conner Habib. He's an activist and former porn actor, and he gives lectures around the world on topics as wide-ranging as occultism, James Joyce, sex work, and art. We talk about the cultural/political/economic triad, Freedom, alchemy, Carl Jung's charlatanism, and Conner's new PEN/Faulkner Longlisted debut novel, Hawk Mountain.

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Jeremiah Cymerman, the great musician, and my long-time conversation partner, joins me to talk about Louis CK's crushing 2016 TV series, Horace and Pete. We get into fathers and sons, barflies, MeToo, and the N-word.

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Uboa is the musical vehicle of Xandra Metcalfe, who has spent the better part of a decade dipping into every corner of heavy music. From harsh noise to dark ambient, to glitch, to doom metal, Uboa's eclectic approach to dark music has led her to become a cult figure, particularly online. I talk with Xandra about her extreme compositional and mixing techniques, autism, parasites, Freud, dehumanization, and unwinding your bowels.

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