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Last Week: Debts, Deficits and Middle-School Drama ... In the White House


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📅 Published: June 12th, 2025

🎙️ Host: Sam Taylor, Chief Operating Officer, Our National Conversation (ONC).

👤 Guests:

Jeff Hall, Founder and CEO, Our National Conversation (ONC).

Connor Chung, Director of Policy Content and Strategy, Our National Conversation (ONC).

Last week, we were graced by the first major breakup of Pride Month: Trump and Musk. In this episode, a centrist (Jeff), a conservative (Connor) and a progressive (Sam) discuss the initial drama between the president and the former DOGE advisor, and the spending issues that may have sparked it.

That's the second part of this discussion: What are different segments of the ideological spectrum thinking as the deficit grows ever larger with the likely passage of the Big Beautiful Bill? Musk and Trump may be getting back together in some sense, but what about the spending issues that instigated their fight?

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