While at NDC in Oslo, Norway, Carl and Richard talk to Laurent Bugnion about metro design principles. But first, a great email from a listener changes the conversation to redesigning work spaces, integrating concepts of Microsoft Surface, Kinect, phones and touch-centric interfaces. Laurent then digs into the concepts of Metro design, talking about how the metro templates in Visual Studio 2012 simplify metro design. This is a wide ranging conversation over all the new ideas in design, user interface and customer expectations of applications!