This episode the conversational waters ran overhand were so good that I had to cleave the baby in two. My old friend and bandmate Spen Syndrome (The Shivering/Bullets In/Stockholm Syndrome) drops in the stream to celebrate the majesty of Lay Yr'self Aside. Then Conner Habib, from the deeply esoteric and undeniably human  Against Everyone podcast and author of Hawk Mountain beams in from Ireland to drop some serious mystic science on us. Take with water.