We haven't had the opportunity to meet up and discuss any of the numerous relevant stories that have unfolded in recent weeks, so instead, here's a recycle of an episode that Mike and I recorded for my other podcast. In 2017(ish), I picked up a copy of The Cuckoo's Egg by Cliff Stoll. In 2018, I watched the 1990 PBS Nova special on the story, The KGB, the Computer, and Me. In 2022, I actually got to meet Cliff, in the flesh. In early 2024, Mike and I discussed all of it. Enjoy!