What if the most powerful leadership role isn’t the CEO… but the second in command?

In this episode of The Impactful Leader Podcast, Chris Callahan sits down with Jeff Foil, President of Seven Oaks Capital, to unpack a perspective rarely discussed in leadership circles — the power and value of being the “number two.”

Jeff spent most of his career as a second-in-command leader before stepping into the presidency. He shares why loyalty, responsibility, and execution are critical traits for supporting a vision — and how caring for employees creates long-term business success.

This episode explores:

• Why the second-in-command role is vital to any organization

• The difference between managing tasks and developing leaders

• How “people over profit” actually increases profit

• The importance of season-aware leadership

• Why wisdom matters more than knowledge

• Learning from costly mistakes (including a $500,000 lesson in pride)

• What it really means to leave a legacy

Jeff’s leadership philosophy is simple but powerful: Be kind. Be fair. Do what you say you’ll do.

If you're a business owner, executive, or emerging leader, this conversation will challenge how you define success and growth.

Because sustainable leadership isn’t about domination — it’s about developing people.

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