Jess and Beth interview Matt Andrews about crisis leadership and lessons learned from public leaders' COVID-19 response. Matt, Edward S. Mason Senior Lecturer in International Development at the Harvard Kennedy School, has worked extensively in crisis and post-crisis contexts around the world. In this episode, he discusses how to create distributed models of leadership and how to communicate in the midst of complexity and uncertainty.

For more on public leadership, read Matt's blog: https://buildingstatecapability.com/

Monitoring the Covid-19 Employment Response: Policy Approaches Across Countries, Malcolm Wiener Center: https://www.hks.harvard.edu/centers/wiener/programs/project-on-workforce/covid-19-employment-response

Special thanks to our producer Mike Boucher, Sonic Pictures: https://www.sonicpictures.com/