In part two of our conversation on leadership and loneliness, we shift from weight to worth. What makes it all meaningful? How do you lead without losing your soul? And what fruit makes the sacrifice worth it?

Tony and Robert share stories, mistakes, and some honest truths about calling, pressure, and the unexpected joy that comes from leading well, even when it’s hard.

If you’ve ever questioned whether leadership is still worth it, this episode is for you.

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