Get Your House in Order

Leadership vs. Management: Know Which Hat to Wear (and When)


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Big ideas don’t move the needle if no one cleans the bathrooms. In this episode we unpack the real difference between leadership and management with candid stories—from a student-run catering company that grew fast and cracked under overmanagement, to a hotel pitch that thrilled U.S. investors with vision and then hit a wall when a German board asked the most practical question: who cleans the toilets?

Some topics covered are: 

  • Leadership vs. management — knowing the difference
  • Swinging from spreadsheets to vision
  • The hotel pitch — why toilets matter
  • Pairing bold vision with follow-through
  • Using the bite factor to test grit
  • Hiring based on your leadership–management mix
  • Turning projects into repeatable processes
  • Adding structure to family life and meetings
  • Spotting vision misalignment vs. routine gaps
  • Codifying values and reinforcing behaviors
  • And more...



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Get Your House in OrderBy Cris Auditore Zimmermann & Dr. Philip Zimmermann