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- How to promote women: Be the mentor of the moment, says Dr. Brad Johnson
What does it take to get ahead in the corporate world? How much harder is it when you are female?
Jean interviews Dr. Brad Johnson, a White male clinical psychologist who has spent most of his professional life learning and teaching how to encourage female talent.
His answers are straightforward; simple but not easy. These involve mentoring in the moment, seeking out those who are different, and promoting talent.
Author of 14 books, his most recent include: Good Guys: How Men Can Become Better Allies for Women in the Workplace (2020, October, with David Smith) and On Being a Mentor: A Guide for Higher Education Faculty (3rd Ed.) (2025, with Kimberly Griffin)
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Conversations with forward-thinking leaders about patterns that keep us stuck and how the leaders are breaking the mold. Personal reflections on provocative topics and how to level up despite yourself. Get unstuck, change your story, become more effective. Join us.
The ability to lead consciously can open your eyes.
Jean Latting is an organizational consultant, inclusive leadership coach, and behavioral scientist.
59 min - How to foster belonging: Create a culture of caring, says Dr Beth Kaplan
Dr. Beth Kaplan, in her introduction to her new book Braving the Workplace: “I know what it's like to be unseen, unheard and unhappy. I know what it's like to feel so much and have so much to say, but you can't find the words to express what you're going through. I know what it's like to feel tired, a deep fatigue, preventing you from absorbing joy. It's lonely, but you are not alone. We're in this together.
“The good news is, you survive 100% of your toughest days, and I'm going to get you through the rest.”
Inclusion and belonging are sisters, not twins, she writes. If you want to change the relationships in your life, you have to care back. And you cannot belong to something fully until you belong to yourself.
But how to do these things while being true to yourself and where you are? How can you do these in the workplace, with its conflicting mixture of community and pressure to perform?
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Conversations with forward-thinking leaders about patterns that keep us stuck and how the leaders are breaking the mold. Personal reflections on provocative topics and how to level up despite yourself. Get unstuck, change your story, become more effective. Join us.
The ability to lead consciously can open your eyes.
Jean Latting is an organizational consultant, inclusive leadership coach, and behavioral scientist.
50 min - How to find and follow your passion, with Dr. Suneel Gupta
What if you could bring passion, joy, and meaning to your life? What if you feel stuck in a humdrum routine but have no time for anything else? What if someone could show you how to function with your whole heart even if you only have a few minutes?
Jean interviews Suneel Gupta, who tells you how to find everyday dharma in the midst of a challenging life. It is not measured by outward success, nor by achievement, but by finding your essence.
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Conversations with forward-thinking leaders about patterns that keep us stuck and how the leaders are breaking the mold. Personal reflections on provocative topics and how to level up despite yourself. Get unstuck, change your story, become more effective. Join us.
The ability to lead consciously can open your eyes.
Jean Latting is an organizational consultant, inclusive leadership coach, and behavioral scientist.
1 hr 6 min - Guiding from within: Craig Dowden reveals the secrets of leadership
What are the secrets of becoming a really great leader?
Jean interviews Craig Dowden, author of A Time to Lead: Mastering Your Self… So You Can Master Your World and positive psychology coach.
The most important qualities of leadership, he says, are trust and authenticity. Trust: your leaders will hear you, value you, consider your concerns, and be honest and transparent. Authenticity: their values, beliefs, and behaviors are in alignment.
Craig posits the seven pillars of leadership: mindset, emotions, resilience, strengths, feedback, difficult conversations, leadership, authenticity.
There’s much more. Watch Craig and Jean have a lively discussion about leadership and empathy.
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Conversations with forward-thinking leaders about patterns that keep us stuck and how the leaders are breaking the mold. Personal reflections on provocative topics and how to level up despite yourself. Get unstuck, change your story, become more effective. Join us.
The ability to lead consciously can open your eyes.
Jean Latting is an organizational consultant, inclusive leadership coach, and behavioral scientist.
1 hr 2 min - Wealth for communities of color: Malia Lazu promotes DEI in banking
How do you go from being a 19-year-old activist, meeting Harry Belafonte, to deconstructing power, to being a bank president getting CEOs on board with DEI?
Where does wealth sit? How was it obtained?Along the way she discusses the “nonprofit industrial complex.”For answers, listen to the podcast. Then read her book, From Intention to Impact: A Practical Guide to Diversity, Equity and Inclusion.---------------------------------------------------------
Conversations with forward-thinking leaders about patterns that keep us stuck and how the leaders are breaking the mold. Personal reflections on provocative topics and how to level up despite yourself. Get unstuck, change your story, become more effective. Join us.
The ability to lead consciously can open your eyes.
Jean Latting is an organizational consultant, inclusive leadership coach, and behavioral scientist.
1 hr 20 min - Incorporating human-centered design: How to achieve equity and success
Jean interviews Minal Bopaiah, author of Equity: How to Design Organizations Where Everyone Thrives. She has much to say about the long and complicated path for DEI.
Key highlights:
- why equity is not the same as equality,
- how ableism is the most entrenched source of oppression, and
- three obstacles to discussing systemic racism:
- progress and personalization narrative,
- belief in rugged individualism, and
- the separate lives, separate fates narrative
Minal shows how the US benefits from other countries' publically funded education systems by recruiting their skilled workers, despite often opposing similar "socialized" education at home. This practice contributed to the "model minority" stereotype.
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Conversations with forward-thinking leaders about patterns that keep us stuck and how the leaders are breaking the mold. Personal reflections on provocative topics and how to level up despite yourself. Get unstuck, change your story, become more effective. Join us.
The ability to lead consciously can open your eyes.
Jean Latting is an organizational consultant, inclusive leadership coach, and behavioral scientist.
54 min - Dr. Myrtle Bell enlightens us: Why diversity makes us better and smarter
This week Jean interviews Dr. Myrtle Bell, author of Diversity in Organizations. Dr. Bell talks about the value of diversity, the resistance to it, and how to overcome the resistance without the use of quotas.
She says, “I really believe that people don't know what they don't know,” and “sometimes empowerment is just being able to decide not to do something; that means you're strong enough to say, I'm not doing this.”
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Conversations with forward-thinking leaders about patterns that keep us stuck and how the leaders are breaking the mold. Personal reflections on provocative topics and how to level up despite yourself. Get unstuck, change your story, become more effective. Join us.
The ability to lead consciously can open your eyes.
Jean Latting is an organizational consultant, inclusive leadership coach, and behavioral scientist.
1 hr 13 min - Mentoring excellence: How to foster inclusion by jointly bridging differences
Lisa Fain is the head of the Center for Mentoring Excellence. She spoke with Jean about the growth potential for mentors and mentees when they truly speak with, listen to, and respect each other’s personhood.
Nobody owns difference. Everybody owns difference.
Lisa says: "Relationships involve getting to know one another. It involves real curiosity. Seeing you as a human being with whom I want to have a relationship, that starts to create some accountability for change and that gets super exciting."
People think the mentor's job is to be the sage on the stage. A good mentor is a guide on the side.
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Conversations with forward-thinking leaders about patterns that keep us stuck and how the leaders are breaking the mold. Personal reflections on provocative topics and how to level up despite yourself. Get unstuck, change your story, become more effective. Join us.
The ability to lead consciously can open your eyes.
Jean Latting is an organizational consultant, inclusive leadership coach, and behavioral scientist.
57 min - Find peace in your safe place: How to avoid occupational burnout
Hamza Khan’s book, Leadership Reinvented, offers a roadmap to productivity, resilience, and constant change. In this podcast, he and Jean Latting engage in an animated conversation about leadership, resilience, belonging, and burnout.
He speaks of his own experience.
He offers much to contemplate, including his own experience as a Muslim erroneously placed on the do-not-fly list. Ironically, as an entrepreneur with 2 million views of his TED talk, his clients included Homeland Security and the Canadian Air Force.
I consider myself fortunate that I found a very accessible keyhole issue with which to explore systemic oppression: occupational burnout.
What are the system level reasons why I burned out? Sure enough, a lack of fairness in the workplace, unsustainable workload, insufficient uncommunicated values, insufficient reward, lack of control, poor/toxic community.
Fundamentally, what's at the heart of broken systems of systemic oppression? It's people who are propping up the status quo. And the status quo isn't the avoidance of a decision. It's a continuous past decision.
We eventually arrive at the dark core of personality, which is human beings' hardwired capacity to accept, neglect, or provoke the disutility of others, in order to maximize their own utility.---------------------------------------------------------
Conversations with forward-thinking leaders about patterns that keep us stuck and how the leaders are breaking the mold. Personal reflections on provocative topics and how to level up despite yourself. Get unstuck, change your story, become more effective. Join us.
The ability to lead consciously can open your eyes.
Jean Latting is an organizational consultant, inclusive leadership coach, and behavioral scientist.
58 min - "We/they" instead of "us": Have some in DEI made this into a blame game?
This week Jean interviews Amri Johnson, CEO of Inclusion Wins, "a global cooperative of product and service providers focused on people-related solutions for organizations of all sizes." He is the author of Reconstructing Inclusion: Making DEI Accessible, Actionable, and Sustainable.
Amri Johnson has a few provocative things to say about the current state of efforts toward diversity, equity, and inclusion."Contact theory basically said, when you bring people together as equals, and I'm not talking about economically, but as under the Constitution equals, and you bring them together to solve a common problem or to address a common goal, and you give them time, and so you have them connect with each other over time, and you have some sort of institutional support, prejudice gets reduced significantly."And that research, along with many hundreds of psychologists telling the courts that segregation harmed Black and White kids, it wasn't just about harming the Black kids. They came together around it, and that science was the other piece to go beyond the moral abhorrence of segregation, and separate but equal."And so what we did, where we had the opportunity to actually create more contact, we didn't solidify the contact, we just kept hammering at what White people are doing wrong, kind of collectively, and I think it took us from the potential for something transformational to something that was reductionist and, you know, it was getting major blowback."He also has much to say about the importance of dialogue, acceptance of personal responsibility, and the need to get out of the victim mentality.---------------------------------------------------------
Conversations with forward-thinking leaders about patterns that keep us stuck and how the leaders are breaking the mold. Personal reflections on provocative topics and how to level up despite yourself. Get unstuck, change your story, become more effective. Join us.
The ability to lead consciously can open your eyes.
Jean Latting is an organizational consultant, inclusive leadership coach, and behavioral scientist.
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Conversations with forward-thinking leaders about patterns that keep us stuck and how the leaders are breaking the mold. Personal reflections on provocative topics and how to level up despite yourself. Get unstuck, change your story, become more effective. Join us.
The ability to lead consciously can open your eyes.
Jean Latting is an organizational consultant, inclusive leadership coach, and behavioral scientist.