Tech In Church Podcast

Leading for Transformation, Not Popularity


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Every leader loves to feel appreciated, but real effectiveness in ministry goes beyond applause. In this episode of The Deep Dive, our AI hosts unpack Faith Yuri Cho’s powerful session from the Engage Conference, Effective Leadership vs. Popular Leadership. Discover how to move from people-pleasing to purpose-driven leadership that produces lasting spiritual fruit and true disciple-making.

Main Ideas

  • Breadth must lead to depth. Large reach and growth are valuable only if they lead people toward deeper spiritual formation and transformation.
  • Grace must lead to truth. Welcoming everyone is essential, but transformation requires honest, loving truth that challenges people to grow.
  • Fellowship must lead to commitment. True community isn’t built in comfort, it’s built in the messy, consistent, forgiving work of real relationships.
  • Moving forward must mean moving with God. Ministry success isn’t defined by numbers or energy. It’s found in following God’s specific voice for your church.

Why It Matters

In a culture obsessed with numbers and approval, pastors and ministry teams must remember that true fruitfulness is found in transformation, not popularity. Leading effectively means aligning every effort with God’s calling, even when it’s unpopular or uncomfortable.

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 “Effective leadership never settles for inspiration; it pushes toward transformation.”

The Tech In Church Podcast is a Text In Church team production. For more information about this podcast, go to https://podcast.textinchurch.com. For more information on Text in Church, visit https://textinchurch.com.


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Tech In Church PodcastBy The Text In Church Team