"We're fooling ourselves if we think we know the future. We don't."

In 25 years with Data Art, Alexei Miller has learnt a thing or two about leadership - particularly in a tech arena where change is the only constant.

He joins Debbie Forster MBE for an enthralling conversation about modern leadership and its challenges. He explains the three very different stages of development for a software business, and shows us why honesty is the most important characteristic for a tech leader.