Cary Schmidt sits down with Ethan Malachuk, pastor of Mount Greylock Baptist Church in MA, for a long-awaited conversation about bivocational ministry. Ethan shares his journey of pastoring while working in the secular world, reflecting on the unexpected blessings, challenges, and spiritual growth that come with this path. Drawing from biblical examples—particularly Paul’s ministry in Corinth, Thessalonica, and Ephesus—the episode affirms bivocational ministry as both legitimate and often necessary, not as a stepping stone, but as a sustainable, God-honoring calling. The conversation encourages pastors and church leaders to rethink traditional models, embrace financial transparency, and prioritize calling and health over convention or pride.

Cary Schmidt is joined by Andrew Browning to discuss the often-overlooked tension between faithfully explaining the Bible and helping people apply it meaningfully to their lives. They explore what it means to grow in gospel-shaped application—not just giving listeners a to-do list, but pointing them to the Person and work of Jesus as the true source of lasting transformation. Through honest reflections and practical strategies, they urge preachers to rely on the Holy Spirit, craft application that inspires rather than burdens, and guide people to live out their faith from a place of grace, not guilt.

In Part 2, Cary and Kurt continue their conversation on relational loss in ministry, this time focusing on gospel-shaped responses. Drawing from David’s experience with Saul, they discuss how to process betrayal, walk through grief, and move forward in faith. They encourage pastors and ministry leaders to respond with grace, forgive without expecting anything in return, and trust God’s sovereign work even in the midst of personal hurt. Find practical counsel, biblical insights, and hope for those navigating emotional pain from canceled friendships or ministry relationships.

Cary Schmidt and Kurt Skelly dive into the difficult experience of “getting ghosted” in gospel ministry, where friendships or ministry relationships abruptly end without closure or explanation. They explore both internal ghosting (within the church) and external ghosting (among ministry colleagues), highlighting the confusion, pain, and disillusionment that often follow. This episode encourages pastors and leaders to process the experience biblically, avoid bitterness, and lean into grace. Join us for part 2 where they will discuss how the gospel provides a framework for responding to ghosting in a Christlike manner.

In this conversation, Cary interviews guest Tommy Lee as he shares his journey and testimony, as well as his involvement in Resource Global, Wheaton College, and Together LA. They discuss the importance of addressing insecurities in leadership and dealing with pain, particularly in ministering to those in secular environments. Together they encourage leaders to embrace their strengths and rely on God's strength.

In this conversation, Cary and guest Drew Dyck discuss Drew's book 'Just Show Up: How Small Acts of Faithfulness Change Everything'. Drew shares his journey in Christian publishing and the importance of showing up and being present for others. He emphasizes the value of faithful obedience and the need to let go of perfectionism. They also explore topics such as navigating doubts, finding strength in the Psalms, the impact of the book 'Steady Strength' to Christian leadership, the importance of vulnerability and real friends in ministry, and the connection between nurturing a healthy soul and leading a healthy culture.