What does it take to truly know what's going on inside your organization — and why do so many leaders get it wrong? In this episode of the Max Value Podcast, we sit down with Mike Roe, CEO of 10Sense, a UK-based software company that uses sensemaking science to give leaders a real finger on the pulse of their teams. Mike shares his remarkable career journey — from failed banker to 30-year police veteran commanding 1,500 officers in Bristol, to leading a software company that's transforming how organizations understand culture, leadership, and performance.

We explore why great leadership requires vulnerability and a trusted peer circle, the four pillars every leader needs for long-term success, and how 10Sense goes beyond engagement surveys to give organizations what Mike calls "organizational experience data" — turning team culture into measurable, actionable insight. Whether you're preparing for an exit, scaling a team, or simply trying to stay ahead of the game, this conversation is packed with hard-won lessons from the boardroom, the police force, and everything in between.

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