What's at the heart of leadership? For Dal, it's about being authentic - to be self-aware and grounded in our values. But it's also about learning to be vulnerable - to admit when we don't have the answers and to let go of our "armour". It's not easy, but it's powerful.

In the fourth episode of 'Leading the way', our monthly series of leadership conversations, Dr Jonathan Darling, RCPCH Vice President for Education and Training, speaks with Dr Dal Hothi, consultant paediatric nephrologist at Great Ormond Street Hospital for Children in London and recent Officer for Lifelong Careers at RCPCH.

There are many layers of learning. Dal explains how her journey has been about "going from a space of knowing to learning". She's become a leader because she is "willing to learn and be open to experiences and trying to understand".

• Find out more about Dal and see related resources - on RCPCH Learning
• Read Jonathan's reflections on this episode
• Download the transcript (PDF)

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