In this episode of the Active Ingredients podcast, host Thomas Dove interviews Rochelle Trow, Founder of The Change Canvas and Interim HR Executive.

Rochelle shares her transformational journey from growing up under apartheid in South Africa to leading in European boardrooms, ultimately experiencing burnout and discovering the power of conscious leadership. The conversation explores fear-based versus values-driven leadership, the hidden costs of corporate performance culture, and practical frameworks for emotional regulation.

Rochelle reveals how leaders can stay authentic in corporate environments without losing themselves, offering actionable insights on self-awareness, conscious decision-making, and leading with courage and compassion in today's challenging life sciences landscape.

Key Takeaways

• Discover the three pillars of conscious leadership: self-awareness that extends beyond behaviour to triggers and empathy, conscious choices that serve the greater good rather than self-interest, and courage paired with compassion.
• Learn to distinguish between fear-based and values-driven leadership using Rochelle's framework of 20 questions that help identify when decisions stem from fear versus authentic alignment.
• Understand how burnout manifests differently - not from workload volume but from the quiet erosion of self and constant misalignment between personal values and corporate demands.
• Explore the concept of radical self-responsibility as the foundation for surviving toxic environments, focusing on your response and choices rather than blaming external factors or waiting for organisational change.
• Apply the "smoke alarm" decision-making approach by pausing before choices to ask where the decision stems from, whether it represents real warning signals, and how it aligns with your core values.
• Gain practical methods for giving difficult feedback to managers and colleagues by focusing on situations and impact rather than personality traits, maintaining integrity while preserving professional relationships.
• Take away tools for emotional regulation that enable leaders to maintain authenticity and effectiveness even in challenging corporate environments, proving that internal strength can overcome external toxicity.
• Identify the warning signs of becoming a "problems sponge" and learn strategies to avoid absorbing organisational dysfunction while still caring deeply about team and company success.

Snippets

• "Now what I do is, or at least what I think is important, is to actually pause before you make that decision and ask yourself, where am I making this decision from?"
• "My entire philosophy is you don't need to burn out. You need to focus on leading yourself first."
• "So one of the biggest shifts in myself is before I judge somebody, I go, what might be driving that person's actions."

Timestamps & Topics

• 00:00 -- Intro: Rochelle's journey from apartheid South Africa to European boardrooms

• 05:42 -- Three Key Ingredients: Self-awareness, conscious choices, and courage with compassion
• 18:33 -- Career Wake-up Call: The toxic positivity meeting that changed everything
• 36:12 -- From Security Guard to Regional Manager: Early leadership lessons at Woolworths
• 45:16 -- Fear-Based Leadership: How corporate environments erode authentic leadership
• 55:30 -- Burnout Reality: The emotional weight of misalignment, not workload
• 67:45 -- Radical Self-Responsibility: Taking ownership in toxic environments

Resources

• Follow Rochelle Trow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rochelletrow/
• Follow Thomas Dove on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lifesciencesexecutivesearch/

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