You’re a leader. You’re not supposed to say it out loud. But let’s be real: you’re not going to like everyone you lead.

In this episode, Ryan and Erny talk about what to do when someone on your team gets under your skin, without letting it turn into bias, favoritism, avoidance, or over-correction. 

We get into staying objective, using data and clear expectations, managing your ego, and keeping the main thing the main thing: results, culture, and consistency.

You don’t have to be their friend.
But you do have to lead them well.

"Leading Ain't Easy, but you don't have to do it alone."

Leading Ain't Easy was created by Ryan Calkins and Erny Epley, and is hosted by Ryan and John Moore.

• Ryan is the founder of Reframe & Rise, where he works with veterans who transitioned successfully but still feel something's off; helping them find alignment, not just a better job title.
• John is a certified life and career coach with 20+ years of experience helping people navigate transitions, find purpose, and lead with intention — drawing on backgrounds in corporate leadership, counseling, and entrepreneurship.
• Erny runs Bus Pro Network, supporting school transportation leaders across California with training and development, and joins the show as an occasional guest.

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