Healthy Rhythms Podcast

Leading Where the Light Doesn’t Shine


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“Some of the most powerful leadership shows up quietly—side by side.” – Mark Dunwoody.



In today’s episode, Mark explores one of the most powerful leadership shifts we can make: from sage on the stage to guide on the side.


Drawing from his personal experiences—and the story of a pastor in Toronto whose moment under the spotlight changed everything—Mark reflects on why leadership rooted in presence, collaboration, and trust is more relevant than ever.

You’ll hear how side-by-side leadership isn’t about giving up influence… it’s about deepening it. And you’ll leave with a practical coaching question you can ask this week to build connection and spark growth in those you lead.

  • Why Mark has never been drawn to the spotlight

  • The story of a large-church pastor in Toronto who stepped off the stage to connect more deeply

  • How leadership from the side builds trust and emotional safety

  • The difference between performance and presence

  • A simple question to deepen your coaching and leadership this week

  • Reflections from Henri Nouwen and Parker Palmer on ego, purpose, and shared transformation



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Healthy Rhythms PodcastBy Mark Dunwoody

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