In this episode of Forged in Fire, Dr. Liz Cavallaro and guest co-host Eduardo Placer sit down with Milwaukee Alderman Peter Burgelis to explore what leadership looks like when it happens in full view of the people you serve.

From knocking on thousands of doors to pointing out potholes on a neighbor’s street, Peter reflects on leading in one of the most immediate and accountable forms of government. Local office, he reminds us, isn’t about party labels — “We don’t have Democratic potholes or Republican snowplows.” It’s about problem-solving, public safety, and earning trust one conversation at a time .

Peter shares how his immigrant roots, his grandmother’s quiet wisdom, and his early career in community lending shaped his belief that leadership is fundamentally about service. He discusses becoming the first out elected official on the Milwaukee County Board, launching a sweeping recognition effort for LGBTQ+ leaders, and passing legislation to ensure the Intersex Progress Pride flag flies at every county and city building during Pride Month. A letter from an intersex resident who finally felt “seen” by government captures why representation — and visibility — matters.

This conversation weaves together themes of neighborliness, courage, accountability, and endurance. It’s about showing up. It’s about refusing to give up. And it’s about understanding that leadership isn’t forged in grand speeches — it’s forged in daily decisions, shared streets, and the commitment to serve every neighbor, every route, every time.

If you’ve ever wondered what leadership looks like at ground level, this episode is for you.