In this episode of Beyond the Numbers, Josh shares a deeply personal story that reveals how untreated wounds don’t stay private — they leak into leadership, culture, and relationships.

From a childhood hospital stay to years of ministry experience, this episode explores:

• Why churches are good at treating symptoms but afraid to address wounds
• How unhealed pain shows up as control, isolation, overwork, or spiritual language
• The difference between leading from scars versus leading from open wounds
• Why God can use you while wounded, but never intends for you to stay there

This isn’t an episode about shame.

It’s about responsibility, healing, and protecting the people we’re called to shepherd.

If you’re a pastor, ministry leader, or volunteer carrying pain beneath the surface — this conversation is for you.

🎧 Beyond the Numbers exists to help leaders pursue healthy, sustainable ministry — not just growth, hype, or metrics.