While there’s so much drama and trauma concerning church leaders today….some are doing the GOOD work of healing AND leading well! In this episode we chat with Scott Hayes, pastor of Element Church in East Lansing, MI (https://www.theelement.church/) , Join our conversation as we laugh a lot, dive in deep, and push the pulpit aside!

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Music by Caleb Casteneda & Jessie Still 

Graphics: Benjamin Wells

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