Leah Finnegan, editor of Gawker, joins Steve Krakauer to discuss legacy media's mostly failed efforts to appeal to a younger demographic, Trump's impact on the media, new Gawker vs. old Gawker, calling out performative wokeness, whether Gawker can now still be part of the counterculture, the poisoning of what was once funny, her exit from Gawker (and the New York Times), working for Nick Denton and Bryan Goldberg, her thoughts on former colleagues Frank Bruni and Ross Douthat, the "sociopathically brilliant" Peter Thiel, fear and laziness in the media today, and more.

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