In this heartfelt conversation, Deb sits down with her guest, Sonja Johanna, to explore the ups and downs of love, marriage, and personal transformation. Sonja opens up about her childhood, growing up without her mother, and how that absence shaped her views on relationships.

She takes us through the journey of her three marriages, reflecting on the lessons each one taught her. Through trust, control, compatibility, and the search for true love, Sonja uncovers the patterns and emotional wounds that surfaced in each relationship—and, more importantly, how she worked through them to heal and grow.

Her spiritual journey has played a huge role in her relationships, helping her break old cycles and embrace self-love and self-awareness. She emphasizes the importance of truly understanding yourself before seeking love from another.

Sonja’s story is a powerful reminder that relationships aren’t just about finding the right person—they’re about becoming the right person. Through personal growth and self-reflection, she has learned what it means to create and sustain a healthy, fulfilling connection.