Gideon Lichfield and Lauren Goode talk to Chris Urmson, CEO of the self-driving truck company Aurora. They discuss new legislation in California that could help or hinder a driverless future, whether or not self-driving vehicles are actually safer and the consequences for the transportation industry if (human) truck drivers become unnecessary.

Gideon Lichfield and Lauren Goode talk to Chris Urmson, CEO of the self-driving truck company Aurora. They discuss new legislation in California that could help or hinder a driverless future, whether or not self-driving vehicles are actually safer and the consequences for the transportation industry if (human) truck drivers become unnecessary.

Learning to Let Go (of the Wheel)

The future. It’s exciting; it’s discomforting. We don’t know what’s happening next— in the next four minutes on Twitter or in the next four years of democracy. Have a Nice Future is a new podcast from WIRED, where each week, Wired’s Senior Writer Lauren Goode &amp; Contributor Gideon Lichfield speak with the top technologists, thinkers, and creators who are shaping this future we’re racing into. Every episode, we’ll ask each guest—and ourselves—the same question: Is this the future we want? And if not, where do we go from here?Love this podcast? <a href="https://shop.wired.com/collections/accessories/products/the-have-a-nice-future-tote?utm_source=mag&amp;utm_brand=wired&amp;utm_campaign=podcast&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_term=hanf_tote">Click here</a> to shop our special edition tote bag featuring the stand-out artwork.

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The future. It’s exciting; it’s discomforting. We don’t know what’s happening next— in the next four minutes on Twitter or in the next four years of democracy. Have a Nice Future is a new podcast from WIRED, where each week, Wired’s Senior Writer Lauren Goode & Contributor Gideon Lichfield speak with the top technologists, thinkers, and creators who are shaping this future we’re racing into. Every episode, we’ll ask each guest—and ourselves—the same question: Is this the future we want? And if not, where do we go from here? Love this podcast? Click here to shop our special edition tote bag featuring the stand-out artwork.

The future. It’s exciting; it’s discomforting. We don’t know what’s happening next— in the next four minutes on Twitter or in the next four years of democracy. Have a Nice Future is a new podcast from WIRED, where each week, Wired’s Senior Writer Lauren Goode &amp; Contributor Gideon Lichfield speak with the top technologists, thinkers, and creators who are shaping this future we’re racing into. Every episode, we’ll ask each guest—and ourselves—the same question: Is this the future we want? And if not, where do we go from here?Love this podcast? <a href="https://shop.wired.com/collections/accessories/products/the-have-a-nice-future-tote?utm_source=mag&amp;utm_brand=wired&amp;utm_campaign=podcast&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_term=hanf_tote" rel="noopener noreferrer">Click here</a> to shop our special edition tote bag featuring the stand-out artwork.

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