In Episode 3 of the Naughty by Nature podcast, Treen and Michael Gungor, musician and host of The Liturgist Podcast, breach the taboo topic (in Christian circles) of ‘Deconstruction’.

Matched with John Itiola, a comedian who plays an overworked and underappreciated version of ‘God’, this trio divulges the challenges that come from questioning Christian constructs.

Non-Christians might wonder, why is it so hard to leave Evangelicalism? This episode addresses the plethora of fears and beliefs that come with saying goodbye to the Christian church. Treen and Michael discuss the unique hang ups in their deconstruction journeys, the power of mystical experiences and both the chaos and freedom that ensued.

They get real, raw, and giggle…a lot!

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00:00 Welcome to the Naughty by Nature Podcast

00:39 Meet God and God’s “most favorite” son, Michael Gungor

01:59 The Journey of Deconstruction

05:14 Defining Deconstruction

09:28 A Moment of Surrender

18:08 Mystical Experiences and Support

22:55 The Role of Shame and Fear

24:48 Clearing the Air with God: A Holy Moment

25:47 Deconstructing Spiritual Warfare and Fear: The Mark of the Beast

28:32 Taboo Topics: Masturbation, Polyamory, and Other Deities

30:08 Reclaiming Faith: A New Perspective on God

32:08 Stages of Deconstruction: A Humorous Take

33:49 Questions Every Believer Encounters

36:08 Reclaiming Christianity: Integrating the Past

40:16 Final Thoughts and Farewells

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