Check out our conversation with Lenny Duncan, former ELCA pastor and author of Dear Church, a Love Letter from a Black Preacher to the Whitest Denomination in the US and United States of Grace. In this episode, Lenny shares his interaction with Presiding Bishop Michael Curry about Black Lives Matter, his experiences doing anti-racism and reparations works, and his decision to leave his calling as a pastor, along with many other interesting topics.

In his remarks about Presiding Bishop Michael Curry, Lenny mentions that the Bishop has never publicly said “Black Lives Matters (BLM).” We found a video from 2015 where he talks about BLM, watch it here.

You can follow Lenny on Instagram @lennyduncan and check out his podcast @blackberryjams.