In this thought-provoking conversation, Fr. Nathaniel and Jim dive deep into the dynamics of the old covenant of the law and the new covenant established by Jesus's sacrifice. They challenge the notion that repentance is a means to earn God's favor, and instead, they highlight the assurance of God's unconditional love and mercy found at the throne of grace. Drawing from the readings for Lent 5, including passages from Jeremiah, Psalm 51, Hebrews, and John's Gospel, they grapple with the complexities of embracing the cross, walking in the light of Christ, and resting securely in the embrace of our great high priest, who understands our weaknesses.