This is a three minutes podcast culled from my one-hour radio show Leonard Cohen: The Joe Jackson Tapes Revisited. But, a word of warning for listeners, the clip includes a phone chat I had with Leonard in 1995,  the connection from Dublin to LA, was bad, and he is hard to hear and in this non-representative section of the interview I, frankly, talk too much! I hate interviewers who think what they have to say is more important than anything said by an interviewee. But, at least this clip upends the idea that Cohen was merely a merchant of gloom and had no sense of humour. And undoing that reductive public image is what I set out to do, from the first time I first interviewed the man a decade earlier. And another word of warning. If you feel precious about Bono, and do actually lack a sense of humour - unlike 'Bobo' himself as his wife once called him in my presence- this may not be for you!