A word of warning - my podcast is called The Joe Jackson Interviews Podcast. But this episode is not an interview. It was supposed to be, and at the end, Leonard did say, "thanks a lot, man, that was a great, great interview. It was deep," but here I must tell the truth. I didn't come to fool you, to quote Hallelujah.  On the day this dialogue with Leonard took place, March st 1985, I was not an interviewer. I was a life-long Cohen fan who had implored a magazine editor to allow me to interview Leonard because something told me I had to talk with the man. Hence, it is more of a conversation and I sound suitably humbled in the man's presence. Either way, afterwards Leonard said he got a sense it was "important to" me. He was right. It left me feeling so transcendent that fifteen minutes after it ended I decided to become an interviewer. Here is a clip from my new eBook, available on Amazon, Hallelujah: A Conversation with Leonard Cohen.