Ella Fitzgerald is the subject and my guest is revered British documentary maker Leslie Woodhead with his film about the Queen of Jazz - it's called Just One of Those Things and plays at the re-opened BFI Southbank. Leslie recalls a life in film, including working with the elusive Terence Malick, the shock of DA Pennebaker's Primary and years spent filming a tribe in Ethiopia. Among my own recommendations are A Quiet Place II and The Underground Railroad.

Music by Lee Rosevere.

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