Blak N White with Tammy and Nathan Baart

Lessons from abroad - Indigenous perspectives as a vehicle for DEI


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Welcome back to Season 2 of Blak N White! To softly kick it off, Tammy and Nathan discuss their learnings and experiences of living abroad and connecting with Indigenous perspectives across Turtle Island. They begin by reflecting on the Referendum fallout across the globe and a call to action for Allies to continue ‘the work’, turning words into action and living the ‘YES’.


Similarities and differences between the Indigenous Peoples of Turtle Island (Metis, First Nations and Inuit) and Australia’s Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples are discussed, including:

the perceived level of acceptance of the Nation’s history and moving to actual inclusion versus still moving through truth telling. Lifestyle choices and the stronger and more valued connection to Land (Country).Engagement of Indigenous people in more extended aspects of life. Global Colonisation as opposed to what is taught about Australia’s Penal roots. Commitment to the ‘marathon’ not the spring of decolonisation and Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (DEI) work.


This episode rips the bandaid off and embraces the uncomfortable conversations around privilege of Fear, status-driven behaviours and tokenism impacting diversity, equity, and inclusion of Indigenous Peoples in Australia. Not focussed solely on the problems, the building of Cultural Intelligence (CQ) – appetite, ways of being, knowing and doing – as the anecdote and opportunity to build a valuable skill for all individuals, but particularly students in today’s globally-connected world is discussed as part of decolonisation.


Marri ngubady (big love) and acknowledgements to our Moari brothers and sisters as they face the regression of Indigenous inclusion as Aotearoa’s Government dials back the clock as well the Wujal Wujal community affected by recent weather events.


Call to Action

Reflect on what biases, assumptions, and stereotypes of Indigenous peoples that listeners have (we all have them) and how listeners include diverse perspectives in their spaces.



Resources mentioned:

Braiding Sweetgrass for Young Adults: Indigenous wisdom, scientific knowledge, and the teachings of plants. Written by Robin Wall Kimmerer and adapted by Monique Gray Smith. ⁠https://www.booktopia.com.au/braiding-sweetgrass-for-young-adults-robin-wall-kimmerer/book/9781728458991.html?source=pla&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAkKqsBhC3ARIsAEEjuJgjlVhQgKHJHVupLIl_7Jo7PhqiqycTUjEIIbZifLl7Ug6YKJ2tfeYaAt1PEALw_wcB⁠

Wendat Cultural Centre ⁠https://museehuronwendat.ca/en/level/secondary-schools/⁠







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