"There is no book to read, there is no guide on how to lead a pandemic in 2020. I can't pull a book off the shelves and find out exactly what my organization needs this month to make them thrive. What that means is we are experimenting. We are trying. We are testing. And I think the risk taking will be worth it."

This week I sit down with the intelligent and inspiring Fatima Goss Graces of National Women's Law Center. 

I was excited to talk with Fatima because she has a work story that isn't the same for every woman. She has a story of following passion and excitement and how she holds onto that notion while leading through a dark and foreign time. 

We discuss her experience, her goals, and of course the challenges leaders are facing during this Covid-19 experience. 

"It requires creativity during a time many of us feel drained."

She brings a light of hope, and a dose of honesty to the current state. I am excited for this episode and its timing.