MAKING UX WORK: The Joe Natoli Podcast

Let's Get Real


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Pain is unavoidable.

Suffering is optional.

In this episode, Joe talks about what happens when we stop fighting reality — at work and in life — and start dealing with what actually is, instead of what we wish things were.

You’ll hear why negativity is a habit, why waiting for perfect conditions is a trap, and how accepting imperfection is the first step toward real progress.

Now don't get it twisted — this is NOT about lowering your standards.

It’s about doing the work without wasting time, energy and effort on denial.

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Special thanks to the incomparable Lisa Baskett for her amazing late-night-DJ-smoother-than-silk voiceover ;-)

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