In this episode Sophie talks to Ben Jones, founder of Dingy Butterflies, a community arts organisation based in Gateshead, in the North East of England.

Ben gives us some background to the organisation and an insight into a recent citizen science and arts project called Bees of Bensham.

We learn something about the myths of bees, and that while their behaviours are perhaps the antithesis of cultural democracy, humans learning to keep habitats scruffy and drawing attention to existing biodiversity perhaps is.