Marco Santarelli, Founder of Norada Investment Group, is an investor who helps to build real estate portfolios in 18 markets—typically by way of turnkey, cash-flowing properties. He and Abhi dive into the discussion of leverage: what it is, how to use it, and just as importantly—how not to use it. Abhi also drops an easy-to-remember acronym to aid investors in their career: IDEAL: Income, Depreciation, Equity, Appreciation, and Leverage.

Their fruitful conversation touches on other topics, including active investing approaches versus passive investing approaches, the importance of a property’s location, and magnifying your rate of return.

The Power Play: Greg Rand and Abhi talk about common mistakes that professional investors make, including oversight and a common but easy-to-change mistake known as “deferred maintenance.”