The focus of this episode is Gnu Taler, an answer to the questions that Diem, various crypto currency shenanigans and other attempts at world domination via money pose to wider audience. Martin and Chris discuss the ins and outs of this approach with two of the main people behind the project, Christian Grothoff and Leo Wittman. So if you ever wanted to know about a totally legit alternative to any dubious currency monkey businesses, this is the episode you don't want to miss.