This week the Tortoises are talking to cross-bench peer and science communicator Alex Freeman, Baroness Freeman of Steventon. On the menu - Sir David Attenborough's seminal 1979 series Life on Earth. We take our usual meandering conversational route, discussing early career missteps; the importance of Carol Vorderman (again... it's becoming a habit); and rubbing shoulders with the crew of Ocean's Eleven. We also talk about the series of events that set Alex on her path to the House of Lords.

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