The fifth episode of the intergenerational podcast series from Cumberland Lodge. In this episode we are joined by Andy Marks, a PhD student at the Edinburgh School of Architecture and Landscape Architecture at the University of Edinburgh, and Professor Catriona (Cate) Sandilands, writer, teacher and Professor of Environmental Studies at York University.

The intro and outro music is 'A Storm at Eilean Mor' by Jon Luc Hefferman.